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Walter & Group...
[GH] A delightful trout fishing digression sent from Laurence Baggett :
Gordy:
I don't send much, but this was too good to pass. Best
L.
G Laurence Baggett, Esq.
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[GH] From Steve Kemp :
Ok so now I'm confused as to what a dynamic roll cast is!
You said -
"As you know, one distinction between a dynamic roll cast and the switch cast is that with the former the fly doesn't have to leave the water and then form an anchor whereas with the switch cast as with the single Spey cast, the fly must touch down as a "splash-and-go" anchor"
So the fly never leaves the water but the cast has a "A dynamic, thrown D or V loop, e.g., a 'flick-lift' positioned approximately 180 degrees from the target"?
I'm not sure how that works then and I must admit to not understanding it's use on the water. I need to be able to visualise these casts to be tested on them.
I've always taught and used a static roll cast or for a more dynamic version the jump roll/switch cast. Like I say I'm just having a hard time visualizing this one and if I were to take the test before the new version I may be in trouble!
Thanks for your time Gordy.
Steve.
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[GH] Steve,
The last thing I want to do is to confuse anyone! This can be confusing, however since the terms in common usage sometimes deeply overlap coupled with the fact that this overlapping is different in different parts of the World. Experts often mightily defend their own terminologies.
In the absence of formal definitions, I look at it this way :
1. Roll casts of all types along with Spey casts belong in a "family" of roll casts. Having said that, I'm aware that some experts and authors turn it around the other way as they look at roll casts as a variation of the Spey casts. *
2. Static roll cast : A roll cast performed with the D-loop still (stationary) for at least a brief interval. Hence the use of the word "static". Not a continuous tension cast. Sometimes called a "dead line roll cast".
3. Dynamic roll cast : A roll cast performed as a continuous tension cast. The D-loop is under tension. This can be called a switch cast as many look at it. Still others do not consider it a switch cast unless there is a lift followed by dynamic placement of the anchor. Also sometimes called the "jump roll" or the "live line roll".
One version is the same as the static roll cast with the exception that the D- loop is not static; rather moving with momentum which help provide more load for the forward cast. As far as the task 7 description is concerned, this doesn't fit with my concept of the "flick lift".
4. Switch cast : Also sometimes called a "Forward Spey", "jump roll" and the "live line roll". Most distinguish it from true Spey casts on the basis that it is not a change of direction cast. It is oft distinguished from the dynamic roll cast by the fact that it is performed with a lift and anchor set. (That happens to be the way I learned it.) Believe it or not, some seasoned Spey casters will say, "There is no such thing" !
The switch cast is noted to be a valuable prelude to learning the single and double Spey casts, because it uses the basic foundation movements of the Spey casts with the change of direction element omitted.
Ally Gowans has told us that this cast was popularized by the famous Scotsman, Alexander Grant. Simon Gawesworth states that this is described as "switch of the southron" by author Jock Scott. He,then goes on to say that in Salmon Fishing, by Eric Taverner, the author describes the switch cast WITHOUT a lift and anchor set ! He quotes, "The rod is then raised to the vertical. The line will follow the point back in a deep sagging belly and the fly will remain in the water." **
Al Buhr has defined it as: " Switch cast A single directional cast that has a dynamic "D" back loop and a forward loop that rolls out above the water surface ". He goes further in saying, "The Switch Cast is the essence of a Spey cast. It has the basic elements of a cast: the lift, the anchor, the "D" loop and the forward cast." ***
Lefty Kreh shows his method of performing the switch cast. He has two versions. The first is called the "Short switch cast"; the second, the "Long switch cast". One distinction between the two is that there is a short pause as the back cast D-loop still has momentum carrying it rearward whereas there is no pause for the "Long switch cast". (Depicted as done with a single handed rod.) He places his anchor, " No more than a few feet in front to just behind you." for his short switch cast. For the long one, he writes, " "The goal is to deposit the line no more than 10 feet in front of or behind you." ****
Our CICP Two Handed Casting Committee members have worked diligently to come up with their glossary of terms which include the switch cast. Once I'm sure that it is ready for release, I'll share it.
For task 7 :
While I would not flunk a candidate for performing task 7 as a switch cast complete with lift and anchor set, despite the unhappy addition of the term "flick lift" I would also feel bound to pass a candidate who did it without a separate anchor set because the anchor set isn't specified. Also, due to the passage, "The candidate may opt to cast with or without anchoring the leader or use a grass leader."
If I were a candidate taking the test tomorrow, I'd ask my examiners, "Do you want me to do it as a Switch cast with separate lift and anchor set ? Or as a dynamic roll cast without anchor set ? Then be able to do it either way.
Hope this helps.
Gordy
* ** SPEY CASTING by Simon Gawesworth, 2004, p. 35.
*** TWO-HANDED FLY CASTING Spey Casting Techniques by Al Buhr, 2006, pp. 20-23 & p. 79.
**** CASTING WITH LEFTY KREH, by Lefty Kreh, 2008, p, 157-160, 400-403.
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