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Walter & Group....
[GH] From Bob Hansell :
Gordy,
Feeding slack into an ill-timed haul suggest to me that the student is not bringing his/her hands back together at the end of the stroke and their haul just straightens out the line between the line hand and the first guide without adding tension to the line during the haul. This is possible on both the back cast and forward cast. In this case, I would use the “part” method working on the hands apart- hands together part of the haul. This is where pantomime is helpful and then put it into actual casting. I think that is what you are posing to us. What do to say?
Bob
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[GH] Bob,
.... Or, rather, bringing the hands together too fast.
Of course, one needs that tension as the haul is made. When giving back line, if all tension is released and the haul hand feeds line back to the stripper guide faster than tension in the system takes it, then we have that slack between the line hand and the first stripper guide.
Rather than "pushing line back" I like the concept of "letting it pull back" and following it with the haul hand. Sometimes I use the analogy of the useless task of trying to push rope up a tree.
One method to correct that flaw.
I was looking for a very different method of teaching the hauls to students, however. If no one else comes up with it, I'll offer a method which works for me.
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[GH] Here is one from Mike Heritage. His answers to questions 1-7 first. Then he discusses a virtual elastic. (Some instructors use real elastic tethers of various kinds) :
1) Depends on the amount of line being cast. Very short line I think the haul will tend to be right through the stroke, For long casts the haul should be made during the unloading phase,ie, after the stop.
2) At or just after RSP.
3) At or just after RSP
4) Strong wind from behind (longer haul into the back cast) wind into the face (longer haul on the forward stroke)
5) I can't think of one unless it was related to 4.
6) Yes, except for circumstance 4.
7) Only when they become competent haulers.
I start off by pantomiming and that they imagine they have a piece of elastic between the rod hand and the line hand. Initially I use the down/up emphasising the elastic pulling their hand back up (I even say boung on the 'up'. We then move to using rod on the side, backcast (pull, feed, laydown) forward cast (pull, feed, laydown). A couple of minutes of this then move onto one full cycle (bc & fc) and laydown. I usually have them d/hauling within fifteen minutes and some get it in five. Teaching the d/haul is one of the easiest, and most satisfying, tasks in casting instruction. A lot easier than fixing some inbuilt fault anyway.
Mike
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[GH] Gary Eaton clarifies what he meant by his use of the word, "drift" :
Gordy and Mike,
I really meant the traditional description of "drift' as movement into the unrolling loop. The opposite of creep. Below a snippet from a thread I wrote for the forum I co-moderate on the subject of drift. I borrowed heavily from existing literature and mentors in synthesis-
Drift = post-stop advantage
Drift is the movement of the rod tip in the direction the loop is unrolling which is:
1) intentional
2) lengthens available rod tip movement
3) occurs early, effectively lengthening the casting stroke after the stop and after loop formation.
Note that drift may occur in any direction, either toward the back cast loop or toward the unrolling forward cast loop. Most often, it moves toward the unrolling back cast.
Usually, drift leads to compensatory stroke lengthening that may be applied to prevent tailing loops, especially when tails arise from creep. The primary prevention of tailing loops involves proper match of length of tip movement to the amount of fly line carried and extreme delay of rotation.
DRIFT is inherently dynamic. Any static depiction provides less complete information than animation or video. Essential to any graphic of DRIFT is a LONGER available rod tip movement for the post-DRIFT cast compared with the identical non-DRIFTED cast.
NOTE - DRIFT is the opposite of CREEP.
Undisciplined observers of casting confuse drift with a stop that is further from the caster. True drift comprises movement after an intentional stop that initiates loop formation. The DRIFT is directed into the unrolling loop, neither down nor back, unless that is the direction of the loop trajectory.
One of my own contributions to early comprehension of the topics in teaching is - "It is okay to be a drifter, but bad to be a creeper."
Because Drift increases available casting delivery by lengthening the potential distance the tip may move in translation, it is a good tactic for error correction and essential to certain types of casting. Drift may also be applied to compensate for equipment poorly matched to the skill or technique of the under performing caster. Drift probably causes no problem when applied unnecessarily. At no time does drift displace the essential need to delay rotation as long as possible in casting a fly.
APPLICATIONS OF DRIFT
1) Too soft a rod leads to tailing loops
2) Caster creeps leading to tailing loops or abbreviating tip path causing tail
3) Carrying long line
4) Extending distance casts
>From the above list, one might incorrectly consider Drift to be a panacea for all tailing loops. Without clearly comprehending the casting flaw that produced the tail, applying a universal correction is merely a "band-aid" that covers-up the problem. The same is true of "dipping" the rod tip down at the end of the cast to move it out of the way of the line - merely a "band-aid" that never addresses the underlying cause.
More experienced FFF Certified Master Instructors or FFF Certified instructors probably offer enhanced observer skills in figuring out root casting flaws.
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On the teaching topic - I would like to add that I develop the "up-assist" through "ride-up" on a shoot before teaching overhead casting haul (pulling) motions. The up-recovery is my first step and I have come to see it as less problematic than the other way around. I freely admit that it sounds complicated but does not really take that long and ends-up saving time as the transitions to smooth and effective hauling for power is more seamless
Gary Eaton.
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[GH] Gary,
You gave this as a "hint" for task 12. How are you relating the drift to the haul task ???
Your definition of drift is a common one. We can add add that drift is movement between casting strokes which increases available stroke length and casting arc..
However, we must all be aware that the term is used to describe other rod movements by some, particularly in Europe. Still others opine that creep is a form of drift. Most here in the USA look at creep as shortening available casting stroke and casting arc.
We can discuss the drift as a separate topic in the future. At this time, I'm mainly interested in how you see it in relation to the topic at hand .... the haul.
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