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Walter & Group...
[GH] From Peter Morse :
Gordy, A couple of other methods for casting sinking lines and/or very heavy flies. I use these often.
Water haul - roll cast to the surface, use water tension to load the rod into one back cast then make your presentation. You can make several water hauls if necessary, we use this technique a lot when casting to snags. The fly and line are slapped down on the water a couple of times well short of the target zone, you get your bearings then shoot the fly in there. This maintains great tension and control. Not recommended with spooky fish. Good if there's a couple of people in the boat as well, the absence of a failing line is comforting......
I also use a much longer casting stroke if I'm false casting a sinking line or a sink tip line or a heavy fly or team of heavy flies. This longer stroke avoids the sharp stop which creates the kick, its smoother, creates more open loops and has good tension. Its not an oval stroke which although very useful requires an open and clear back cast space.
Peter Morse
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[GH] Another set of answers to our Task 15 quiz. From Lyth Hartz :
Hi Gordy,
I thought I would give this quiz a try. My answers are in red below. This is a fun way to learn, thanks for this study group exchange.
[GH] For a good understanding of the requirements for task 15, we might break it down into its basic elements. We might ask ourselves questions such as these :-
1. Statement of problem : Name three casting and presentation problems encountered when we switch from casting with a floating line with a small light fly to a heavily weighted fly and/or a sink tip line.
a. _The effects of gravity on the fly and the heavy sinking fly line.______________________________
b. _The effects of the resistance of the water on the sinking fly line and the sinking and probably a sunken and soggy fly._________________________________
c. _The problems encountered by the quick change of direction while casting with the heavily weighted fly._________________________________
2. Would your pick-up be different ? Yes
3. How would it differ ? I would likely strip in a bit more line than usual before making the pickup causing me to cast a shorter amount of line than usual with a floating line.
4. Name or describe the casts you would consider using. I would most likely try to use a constant tension or Belgian cast in order to avoid the abrupt change of direction with the cast. I might also try to use one of the spey casts as well.
5. Would you loops be different ? Yes
6. If you answered "yes" to #5, describe the loop change. I would try to make the loops more open to counteract the effects of gravity on the fly line and the heavily weighted fly.
7. Would your false casting differ ? Yes
8. If you answered "yes" to #6, tell us how. I would really try to use only the one back cast on pickup and a forward cast.
9. What if any change in loop speed ? A bit slower to reduce the shock on the heavily weighted fly at the end of the delivery cast.
10. How might this change affect shooting line ? The slightly slower speed might reduce some of the shoot distance but also the fly will not “bounce back” if I use the somewhat slower speed. I would also include a haul on the delivery cast to help shoot additional line.
11 Describe the demonstration(s) you would use for this task. I would teach hauling along with both the Belgian cast and some of the Spey casts to instruct a student in this area.
Tight loops,
Lyth Hartz
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[GH] One more set of quiz answers.... From Ckling Ling :
1. Statement of problem : Name three casting and presentation problems encountered when we switch from casting with a floating line with a small light fly to a heavily weighted fly and/or a sink tip line.
a. Gravity causing heavy fly or line to travel lower, may hit caster, rod or ground__________________________________
b. Poor energy transfer to open leader for heavy fly__________________________________
c. Different momentum causing kickback and slack__________________________________
2. Would your pick-up be different ? Yes
3. How would it differ ?
Shorter line, bring fly/sink tip to surface, smoother power application and wider loop
4. Name or describe the casts you would consider using. Wide loops and constant tension cast with minimal false casting
5. Would you loops be different ? Yes
6. If you answered "yes" to #5, describe the loop change. Bigger loops and/or front and back loops in different planes
7. Would your false casting differ ? Yes
8. If you answered "yes" to #6, tell us how. As little as possible, maintain constant tension(not letting leader to straighten completely)
9. What if any change in loop speed ? Slower and smoother
10. How might this change affect shooting line ?probably less distance depending on how much increased line mass/momentum is offset by a wider loop.
11 Describe the demonstration(s) you would use for this task.
Off vertical wide loops, elliptical loops and Belgian.
Gordy
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