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Walter & Group,
[GH] Troy Miller comes in as a seasoned engineer on casting mechanics with regard to specific wording :
Hate to be anal, but Force = mass x acceleration. VERRRRRRY different. Gary is thinking of force as momentum/inertia.
An important question that he leaves out is the concept of line density. All of the questions about 3 wt vs 7 wt are fine, but what about the question 7 wt floating vs. 7 wt sinking? And so forth
Regards,
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[GH] Troy,
Agree. I think Gary was using the term "weight" the way most non-scientific folks do to mean density (wt./vol.)
I'm guilty of doing that, sometimes, particularly with students who might well be turned off by terms like "inertia", "specific gravity", "mass profile", etc.
We must also be careful not to assume that our casting students will really understand the difference between scalar quantities such as "speed" and "velocity" and vector quantities such as "acceleration". Many very competent instructors have a fuzzy idea of those differences.
Of course, it does make a big difference when we start talking about lines of varying densities, as you point out.
Tom White used to distill those terms way down to words such as "Skinny line, but heavy" and "Fat lines which are light". I can almost hear him in the back of my mind when teaching roll casting to youngsters as he said, "You boys can't expect to have skinny line turn over fat line ! " (As he distilled it down another notch.)
Over the years, both he and Lefty Kreh had the innate capacity to have their students become good casters by using simple language.
Gordy
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[GH] From Craig Buckbee :
Gordy,
In windy conditions, surface disturbance may allow for closer approach to quarry increasing the tolerability of shorter casts, heavier line, and shorter or heavier leaders.
Gary Eaton
adding to Gary's comments, another example of the wind working for us:
in the N.E. fishing for Landlocks or simply Salmon in Maine vernacular, we enjoy a wind blown surface aka "Salmon Chop" .
the salmon are prone to come up closer to the surface looking for the smelt as the chop hides their presence from airborne predators.
regards,
one of the non-scientific folks
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[GH] Craig....
Yes, indeed. I remember those beautiful landlocked salmon at Grand Lake and Grand Lake Stream in Maine !
Small fish, but great fighters. They sometimes out jumped any anadromous salmon I'd ever hooked.
They are true Salmo Salar which became landlocked many eons ago .... called, Quananiche by the Native Americans.
I recall fishing them right after ice-out as they came up to the shallows of the feeder streams to feed on great concentrations of smelt . You are 100% right about the advantage of that wind chop.
I've been told that in recent years, most of these salmon are caught by trolling flies from motor driven canoes. NOT true fly fishing, as I see it. One step down from the guys in Alaska who couldn't fly cast at all. The guide would anchor the skiff in the current and have the anglers simply let the line drift down river, then they'd strip and catch a salmon. We called them the "Dump & Pump Boys". I guess you could look at that as yet another way of handling the wind !
Gordy
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[GH] Jim Gill answers Ally Gowan's message on testing :
Gordy, As a member of GAIA I agree wholeheartedly with Ally. I present the L20 courses to my GAIA colleagues and the methodology/techniques of assessing is that of; Observation, Analysing and Feedback.
It is OK to seek further evidence of knowledge and skill by OPEN questioning.
I recently attended a presentation on Jose Mourhino (one of the most successful soccer coaches in Europe - a fascinating character) - he never has an end-of-game team talk (in depth feedback) until the following training day - as emotions are too high following the game. On the last L20 course we allowed the assessor more time to compile their feedback (after the initial short one to let the candidate know the assessment outcome - PASS or FAIL ( we agreed that REFERRAL is a much kinder term given the emotional high at the time)) and arrange with the candidate a more suitable time to discuss it. All feedback must have a Personal Action Plan and advice on the next steps to mentoring.
The GAIA registered Mentors have also to complete the L20. All Assessors and Mentors must re-certify their initial GAIA award as like your organisation it is constantly under review so that best practice is always followed. If we are to consider ourselves professional then we must be seen to behave as such and have the processes for continuing personal and professional development..
These debates are great fun to read through and I have learnt so much from all those who contribute - many thanks,
Jim Gill.
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[GH] Jim,
You parallel my thoughts !
When I host a Master's exam, the main thing I want to know is that the candidate will be a well rounded and competent examiner. Open questioning on the orals helps establish this.
Feedback is very important, as you point out. Effective post exam counseling has taught me a great deal. More importantly, it has help salvage many Master candidates who don't pass the first or even the second time, but are not lost from the program and sometimes turn out to be suburb teachers and stewards of the CICP.*
While not formally required, I always begin with a brief assessment of performance immediately after an unsuccessful outcome. With the understandable despair, manifest or not, I know that not much will be retained. I wait a few days, and then contact the candidate with discussion, advice, and a recommended plan of action all of which with as positive an approach as I can make it.
* Casting Instructor Certification Program
Gordy
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