Hi Gordy!
Thank you for your input!
Maybe itÂs a language issue for me but I see no
opposing agenda in the SL definitions or the group behind it. ItÂs not like
there is money involed here or anything. The agenda we had was to
have a set that works for teaching and holds togheter for both teaching a
beginner and a high-end teacher. It should also be able to be used
for having discussions about flycasting on all levels in order to to
bring things forward.
What is conflicting though is that the purposed set
from the FFF was not something I and others could stand by. It would be
embarrassing to see them get official since itÂs not strong enough. I would like
to be proud of and use the definitions officially ratified by the organisation I
belong to.
IÂve discontinued all work, dues and
contact with the EFFA way back, they just keep my name on their
website for some reason. If you want to see one simple reason for leaving that
organisation check out the very weak and colored definitions on the page
below... This is very embarrassing for every member of that organisation.
ItÂs poorly written and there are a lot things in here that just donÂt
add up.
The FFF-set is not quite this bad, but it certainly
has many things that would make ALL of the instructors I know say Ooooops!
and Oh noooo! What I am saying is that it would be a major shame
to see FFF-defintions that is not properly worked through
and donÂt have good support from so many very active and progressive
members of the organisation. Many of those people you will find on SL and
they have all been a part of the discussions, ideas and work behind the
definitions we launched, thatÂs just how it is and how itÂs been since
way back.
Below is a few goodies from the EFFA-definitions.
Enjoy!
Stroke Length
The distance the rod tip travels within a given casting arc.
Roll Cast
One
of so called âwater
castsâ, using the waterâs resistance instead of a back cast to load the rod.
A cast with no back cast, no change of
direction and limited distance. Used in tight places, to straighten slack line,
or bring a sink tip to the surface. The way the roll casts are performed
today is far different from the roll casts in the past. In fact if we go into
physics they are no real roll casts any more because they use a totally
different physical principle than the ancient roll and original spey
cast.
Spey Casting
A
form of casting with double handed or single handed rods that has no
back cast. A loop is formed underneath the rod tip on the
back stroke that connects the rod tip to the water. Usually
involving a change of direction. The way the cast is performed today is
much different from and uses a totaly different physical principle as the
original spey cast. What is called Spey Casting today is more a hybrid
technique that can be better just describen as long line fly casting
technique for double hand rods. Todays Speycasting uses more and more
elements of the Underhand Casts but is misleadingly still called Spey
Casting.
Snap T
A
change of direction cast with no back cast. This cast
is performed with the upstream arm and used when there is no wind, or an
upstream wind. This cast uses and aggressive, vertical straight line
path snap at the start of the cast. It was created by GÃnter Feuerstein. The name was given
by Canadiens.
Loop
The
loop of a fly line is found when casting and the line comes over the top of
itself forming a big horizontal âUâ in the air over the fly rod, eventually
straightening to a perfect line. Loop formation starts in the moment when
the rod tip is flipping backwards after it has reached the the end
position of the forward stroke(bent down rod tip). Loops are
described as open or closed. Open loops mean slow casts and delicate
presentations, while closed loops mean a quick line and hard landing, but
effective for casting under structure and against the wind.
Haul
A tug on the fly line to increase its speed during the
pickup, the back cast, or the forward cast. The speed translates to
weight, thus loading the rod with more flex and propelling the line further and
easier.
Forward Stroke
The final rod stroke that fires the line out into the
river.
Creep/Creeping
A
casting fault that usually takes place between the back and forward casts, where
the fly rod incorrectly âcreepsâ forward instead of remaining still.
Actually, this is a slow
movement of the rod tip opposite that of a still unrolling loop which shortens
the available stroke length. This often results in a tailing
loop.
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Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: Conflicting view of
definitions
Mark,
They will never be considered "good enough" by those who have an opposing
agenda.
I have studied both the various renditions of the SL definitions and the
incomplete ones the FFF Glossary committee has been working on.
Each uses a different but not fallacious thought process.
In my humble opinion, neither are perfect. Both are quite usable,
depending on how an instructor wishes to use them.
Gordy
On Apr 30, 2011, at 5:54 PM, Mark Surtees wrote:
Hi Bruce
To
be honest I don't see why the FFF should give any consideration to opinions
outside that of its own membership. I have no affiliation to any other
instructing organisation other than the FFF, I'm only concerned with what
the FFF choose to put out.
If they are good enough to do the
job for which they have been created then a CBOG endorsement should be a
formality and they can be published. There is no obligation on the part of
the FFF to take a blind bit of notice of SL or anyone else in this part of
the process.
Post publication is a different matter.
The
question is..are they good enough ?
Mark
From:
Bruce
RichardsSent:
30
April 2011 19:12To:
Mark
Surtees; Guy Manning; 'Paul Arden'Cc:
'charles
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simbirsw@xxxxxxx; grunde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject:
Re:
Conflicting view of definitionsï
Hi Mark!
First, many people have seen the FFF
definitions, Paul certainly has and I assume shared with the SL group. In
the past we certainly discussed them at great length. We haven't publicly
published them because they have not been officially accepted by the CBOG.
At this late date, and with the wisdom of
hindsight, it would seem that the best plan regarding fly casting
definitions would have been to put together a committee of experts from all
the various fly casting instruction groups. Each group having their own
definitions based on their particular needs/desires will be devisive I'm
afraid. First the group would have to agree on a common goal, that is one
reason there is division between SL and FFF defs. Then we'd have to make
sure that all were equally informed re: fly casting dynamics, the science,
not the folklore. I'm not sure this would be possible now since so much work
has been done by two groups at least, and sides have been drawn. But I like
to dream...
Bruce
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