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Walter & Group...
[GH] From Peter Morse :
I teach that if you're throwing loops with 'reasonably' parallel legs (thanks Gordy) it means that you pretty much have the 5 essentials working harmoniously, and that is both a short and a long answer.
Peter Morse
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[GH] Agree.
Interesting that I couldn't find a discussion on parallel loop legs in the fly casting literature I consulted let alone one with diagrams. Perhaps one of our Group has come across one.
I did, however, come across many entries with descriptions of "parallel loops" and "parallel loop legs" on the Internet. (Google)
Here is a brief passage by FFF Master, Floyd Dean :
"Remembering that it is impossible to have a completely objective view of your own loops, observe your loops on the forward cast only. The top and bottom of the loop should be close to parallel to each other and to the water. Have a buddy observe your loops on the back cast. Looking at your own loops in the back cast is sure to distort your form. Your loops on the back cast should also be parallel. It’s fine to have the loops slightly up in the back cast and slightly lower in the forward cast. But certainly, they should not be low enough to hit the water. The best way to observe this is with video." *
There is a video demonstration of parallel and non parallel loop legs in the Master Exam Requirements (item 22) on the FFF Website. This shows lack of alignment in the horizontal plane.
* INTRODUCTION TO FLY CASTING, The False Cast and its Many Uses, by Floyd Dean, Copyright 2002.
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[GH] From Bob Stouffer :
Greetings
The word "bad", in my opinion, could be dropped from the Performance Test language. You could couch the discussion in terms of "effect".
Bob Stouffer
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[GH] Bob,
Tom White thought and taught in terms of ADVANTAGES and DISADVANTAGES. Made sense to me. Perhaps Task 18 wording something like this :
"Be able to describe the disadvantages of casting with loop legs out of parallel."
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[GH] From Lewis Hinks :
Hi Gordy,
This task has always caused me to scratch my head as to what is expected. Loop legs that are 180 degrees of alignment. Would not any loop that is not doming or tailing fall into that category. If you draw a line through the fly leg and the rod leg, would they not be 180 degrees apart. I wonder if the intent is to have the fly leg and the rod leg be in alignment with the fly rod plane. Maybe that is what is being said, but I sure find it hard to decipher that from the instructions.
Cheers,
Lewis
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[GH] Lewis :
You are among many who get a bit confused by all this talk of "parallel loop legs". This is why the members of the MCI Testing Committee spent so much time demonstrating and discussing this task before the CBOG and Instructor guests one morning at the Loveland, Co. Conclave a couple of years ago.
The legs can be close together or far apart and still not be in line with one another. The term "parallel loop legs" means that the legs are parallel to one another .... not parallel with anything else.
Now let's relate this to the ground or water. If both loop legs are in line with this base line (parallel with the ground), then they are parallel to one another in the vertical plane.
We'll now change this so that the rod leg of the loop is parallel to the ground, but the fly leg is at an angle of 30 degrees to the ground. One leg is parallel to the ground. The other isn't. The loop legs are no longer parallel to one another.
If I stand to the side of the caster and see that the loop legs are parallel with one another in the vertical plane, and then stand behind the caster and note that one leg of the loop is way off to one side at an angle to the other leg, then those loop legs which I judged to be parallel with one another when seen from the side, proved to be out of alignment in the horizontal plane as seen from behind. Those loop legs would also be seen to be out of parallel if seen from above.
A "quick" way of judging loop leg alignment in two planes, is to stand in front and a little to one side of the caster. That way you can get a fairly good idea of whether or not the loop legs are parallel in both vertical and horizontal planes during a single cast. **
Perhaps one of our members is skilled at drawing and can send us a couple of diagrams showing this.
** THE ESSENCE OF FLY CASTING , by Mel Krieger, 1987, p. 106 (Photo at the bottom of the page shows apparently parallel loop legs in both vertical and horizontal planes as seen from an oblique position).
Gordy
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[GH] From Bob Rumpf :
Hi Gordy & group,
Because of exactly what you (Gordy) mention as regards the inability of any caster to cast perfectly parallel loops. I began this explain and demonstrate step by casting a layout of a loop on the ground. Then I pointed to the loop and explained that; - In casting language this is a parallel loop, as you can see the legs are "relatively" parallel one to the other. This type explanation now allows for the human factor immediately and gets the candidate off the hook of perfection.
Regards,
Bob Rumpf
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[GH] Bob,
One good way to do it.
That would demonstrate loop legs being out of parallel in one plane. Even better if you could add a method of showing loop legs out of parallel in another plane as well.
You could still do that on the ground with a loop leg layout as seen from above.
After those static demo's, the candidate could do it by casting with the student first standing from one side to see loop legs out of parallel then in parallel in the vertical plane followed by the student standing way back behind the instructor as the cast is made with loop legs in and out of parallel in the horizontal plane.
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