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    Walter & Group...

    [GH]   I WILL BE AWAY FROM MY COMPUTER UNTIL AFTER CHRISTMAS.

    MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL YEAR LONG TO ALL !!!!!

    Gordy

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    [GH]  Congratulations to Todd Somsel !

    Gordy, 

    Just a quick note to say Merry Christmas and thank you.   I passed my MCI exam Saturday and could not have accomplished the tasks without your mentorship  coaching, and  the study group. 
     
    Hope to catch up soon.
     
    Thanks again
     
    Todd

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    [GH]  From Bernd Ziesche :

    Hello Gordy, hello Paul,
    I remember a very good slow motion scene in one of the video tapes of Mel Krieger. It shows a back cast of Steve Rajeff.
    He stops the rod and drifts back forward. Then he stops the rod again and drifts backwards. All this in one back cast after the first (back)stop! Some of us call this the "whiplash".
    He speeds up the rod-leg in order to get more speed on the fly-leg.
    This is just another example of some points that might be taken into account as well.
    I use a lot of tip motions AFTER the stop (RSP1) to create different effects - effects also on the fly-leg!
    Best regards
    Bernd

    p.s. The attached drawing of Ally's email is a very fine and useful one anyway! Thanks a lot.

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    [GH]    Bernd,

    Those moves of Steve, do have an effect on the cast as you point out.  They are made after loop formation as he makes the back drift in the direction of the unrolling loop.

    Bear in mind that Steve casts in the vertical plane and can make these incredible distance casts this way partly because of his pin point timing as well as strength most casters do not have.

    The back drift can do several things for those who use it such as increase the available stroke length and casting arc for the next (forward) cast and  give "hang time" for repositioning the hand.

    The Borger's, accomplish almost the same thing with the "Gary Borger Lay Back".

    Lefty Kreh and Ed Jaworowski contend that a more efficient way to accomplish the same thing is to bring the rod tip way back in the first place without the separate movement off a back drift.

    Joan Wulff does make a back drift when distance casting.... but she admits that the "division" between the back cast and the back drift is a seamless transition.

    I add a brief quote from Lefty Kreh :

    "Gordy,
        It is my personal opinion that vertically making any but short backcast with light rods, flies and lines is the major reason for most casting problems. I also think it has ALWAYS been  a major reason why so few women and children ever began fly casting.

        The vertical cast for anything but trout and panfishing requires muscle. No other sport requires just the use of the hand and arm.

        The major principle that I think would benefit most caster is taking the rod farther back before making the forward cast--providing the elbow is not raised but stays on the imaginary shelf and the thumb stays behind the rod handle. 
        When I teach this principle I also teach I think it is important that the student pivot the body to increase stroke length.

    Lefty "

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    [GH] From Al Buhr :

    1.) Path of of the rod tip during the casting stroke -
     
                                    Convex rod tip path = wide loop.
     
                                    Straight (almost) rod tip path = small loop.
     
                                    Concave rod tip path = tailing loop
     
     
    Gordy, someday you should think about this. What is and what is not good connecting line-of-thought.
    As an Examiner, I cringe, each time I hear this. This half-truth.
     
    The contrarian,
    Al

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    [GH]  

    Al...

    Contrarians make us think.  That is good !

    Of course it IS only a half truth.

    It has been a mantra which needs explanation.

    That is why I qualified it later in my message.

    I never accept that as a "pat" answer to loop size determination on a Master exam; only as a prelude to a more detailed answer.

    Best,

    Gordy