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Walter & Group....
Good news from and congratulations to the Lasse Karlsson family ! :
Hi Gordy
Sorry to not respond sooner, life just happened very fast this weekend :-) My daughter decided to come out and see the world friday night, and everything has been upside down as one would expect ever since, and in the best way it could :-D New personal best, that will never be beat, 3678 grams and 53 cm's, I'm so thrilled!
I have just read through the comments, and I'm glad that something good came out of it. I know that you want to provide as accurate as possible information, and I really enjoy reading the comments from all the members, usually there's something that makes one stop and think, and that is always a good thing :-)
Cheers
Lasse
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[GH] Lasse sent that to us under the title, "NEW MEMBER" ..... Who knows ? Someday ............................. A new Baltic Fly caster ???
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[GH] Before going on to our next topic, I picked a couple of messages on tails which I think should be heeded.
The first is from Guy Manning who brings up an issue on tailing loops which we have not adequately discussed . This will require thoughtful responses from you. I highlighted his "P.S." in red.
Gordy,
I had been on Lasse's side of the placement issue all along and I am glad Aitor came up with some good videos. I wish I had his camera.
Based upon what I am seeing, it occurs to me that when we see large crossed over tails then we may be witnessing tails occurring early in the stroke. When we see only small dips or tailing tendencies then we witnessing tails occurring late in the stroke. In other words when the fault occurs early it is easier to create the large, acute angled tails and when the fault occurs late it is probably difficult if not impossible to create large, acute angled tails.
Guy Manning
PS. I am not convinced that all “tailing tendencies” are related to casting mechanics. I think some can be caused by the leader and fly combo or the line taper. Maybe you can kick that around the world for an opinion.
Guy
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[GH] Questions:
1. Do you think that there are leader/fly/line/rod combinations which when cast would invariably result in a tailing loop even if the caster has not created a faulty move ?
2. Are ALL tailing loops the result of problems with casting mechanics ?
3. If you answered YES to question 1., please describe this combination.
4. We know that certain elements of fly fishing tackle can make it difficult for many casters to avoid making tailing loops. Can you briefly describe them ?
a. Certain fly rods
b. Leaders.
c. Lines.
d. Flies
e. Certain combinations.
5. What role (if any) does the wind play in the formation of tailing loops ?
6. Do you think there are any wind conditions which can result in the caster forming a tailing loop even if the casting mechanics are executed well ?
7. Do you think the harmonics of a fly rod (first and second natural vibration frequency characteristics) have anything to do with the formation of tailing loops ?
Gordy
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[GH] Aitor Coteron sent this message on Nov. 1st. Please note his own correction which follows. *
"When the caster makes a fault that induces the rod tip to dip and then to rise (in the same plane defined by the rod itself) a wave in the line appears.
That wave is similar to the wave we create when making a reach mend: that reach mend* wave travels along the line as long as there is tension; the same happens to the wave formed due to a dip and rise of the rod tip, resulting in what we know as a tailing loop.
The longer the time available for the wave to propagate itself the farther away from the caster it goes. Of course this is the same for a reach mend* wave and for a tailing loop wave."
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Hi again Gordy,
* I have made a mistake on my second paragraph of the previous email; where it says "reach mend" it should say "CURVE MEND":
"When the caster makes a fault that induces the rod tip to dip and then to rise (in the same plane defined by the rod itself) a wave in the line appears.
That wave is similar to the wave we create when making a CURVE MEND: that CURVE MEND wave travels along the line as long as there is tension; the same happens to the wave formed due to a dip and rise of the rod tip, resulting in what we know as a tailing loop.
The longer the time available for the wave to propagate itself the farther away from the caster it goes. Of course this is the same for a CURVE MEND wave and for a tailing loop wave."
Glad that you saw it was a typo. Anyway, please, mention that amendment (my post says "reach mend" still); this over-technical things are hard enough for some instructors to grasp so it is better to have it as clean of errors as possible.
I want to thank you for two things: your effort in keeping this interesting group going and your open-mindedness; the latter is even harder to find than the first.
Thanks,
Aitor
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[GH] The issue of just what happens to form a tailing loop when the caster uses smooth application of power, no creep, and a diminished casting arc came up during the deliberations of the BOG testing committees a while back.
Some felt that as the casting arc diminished it would lead the caster to use improper application of power and that this was always responsible for the tail. Bruce Richards disagreed.
Aitor Coteron addresses this with an interesting analogy :
Hi Gordy,
Just some reflexions about the issue of small arc, good force application and tails.
A look at acceleration in general and its effects on rod loading is enough for explaining this.
Let's say that I am playing with my car; I want to get to 100 km/h in a relaxed way, so I push the gas pedal gently, accelerating in a mild and constant way. Let's say that the speedometer shows 100 km/h after the car has covered a distance of 400 m.
Now I want to ask more to the engine, I want to get to that same speed in only 200 m, so I accelerate more than before pushing the gas pedal farther down, although also in a constant manner. I know there isn't any other way to do it.
After that I park my car and take my fly rod and reel from its trunk and go practicing some casting.
I know that for putting the fluff at a given distance I need a given minimum speed. I begin casting good tight loops with the minimum energy required for straightening the leader. I remember Bruce's teachings so I use a casting stroke with constant acceleration.
Then I decide to make the same cast reducing my casting arc to half size; I know from my previous experience with the car, that to get the same speed to reach the target with my fluff having less space available I need to accelerate more my casting stroke. So I accelerate more, also in a constant way, through the reduced casting arc... and I get a tailing loop.
It doesn't surprise me since with my previous relatively ample arc I had very tight loops, and now I have reduced my arc and, at the same time, I have put more load in the rod. The result is predictable, even if I accelerate in a constant manner and get the same final minimum line speed required.
Best regards,
Aitor
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