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Walter & Group...
More answers to and discussion on the question on our haul timing question :
>From Mark Milkovitch :
Gordy, here is my input on your last haul question. Thank you, Mark Milkovich
Are there any advantages or disadvantages if we start the haul and continue to haul throughout the length of the stroke (forward or backward) or time our haul to coincide with our application of power (power snap)?
Short Answer:
Haul Throughout Advantage – Easier for beginning haulers to learn.
Power Snap/Haul Advantage – Useful second step to correct problems or improve/fine tune the haul.
Long Answer:
The “DownUp” Pantomime is quick & effective in part because the two hands move simultaneously at least at the start. The simultaneous hand motion of the “Down” is easy for everyone. The stumbling block, when there is one, is the single hand motion of the “Up”.
For students who really get hung up at that point It is often effective to say: “Well done, now feel as the line gently pulls your hand back to the reel.” It becomes less a hand motion they are having problems with and more a line motion which repositions the hand. Even a brief use of the DownUp pantomime done vertically often helps the difficulty some students have when they are attempting to haul on a forward horizontal cast.
Once a double haul is learned, it is often helpful to uncouple the two hands to both solve problems with individual hands (e.g. hauling to early with the line hand, punching the cast at the end of the stroke by the rod hand) and/or to improve the cast (e.g. faster hauls for greater distance, slower rod movement to make the cast easier).
Mark
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[GH] Mark. You are right. The most difficult thing for many students is the "give back" of line toward the stripper guide into the rod.
Sometimes the student will "push it up" to the rod rather than allowing it to pull back with the line hand following. When the line hand moves up toward the rod faster than the line is being drawn, slack is introduced and all kinds of problems are created as tension is lost.
Using the rubber band trick which Scott Swartz told us about yesterday may be of value here.
Sometimes the cognitive approach works with explanations such as ....."You can't push a rope up a tree !"
Gordy
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Here are some more considerations for teaching hauls from Mack Martin :
Gordy:
Many of the teaching aids that have been discussed on hauling are very good and will all work for most students. There are four problems that I have seen when students come to AFFS for help with their double hauling. Here they are:
1. They are using line that is old and/or dirty and the line does not move well through the guides. (creates slack problems)
2. They are trying to learn the hauling techniques with too much line in the air (need to master the haul with a controllable amount of line)
3. They struggle with their cast while hauling because they have a short head in their fly line and they are trying to control the cast with the running line in the tip top. (Most students learning to double haul cannot cast well with the fly line head outside the tip top.)
4. Some students seem to assume that when they are hauling that they do not have to make good stops at the end of each cast. (often creates slack problems)
Mack Martin
Atlanta Fly Fishing School
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[GH] Mack,
1. and 3. speak to something Jim Valle brought to our attention some time ago : Always check out your student's tackle.
2. Reminds me that it is a good idea to start with a modest amount of line out of the rod tip when teaching any new casting technique.
4. Is something we see often as the student starts to concentrate on what he is doing with the line hand allowing his basic casting stroke to suffer.
Gordy
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HAUL QUIZ
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[GH] Let's tackle a couple of new questions :
1.) Would you ever use a double haul for a 30' long cast ?
2.) If you answered "yes", tell us the circumstances which would lead you to do that.
3.) What is a CHECK HAUL ?
4.) For what purpose would you use it ?
5.) What is a TRIPLE HAUL ?
6.) I've just given you a magic fly rod. It is a 9' # 8. This one gets shorter and shorter as you make many casts. You are using a wt. forward floating fly line which matches the rod designation.
You need to reach a target 85' from you using a straight line overhead cast with a double haul.
Do you change your haul as your rod gets progressively shorter ?
7.) How ?
8.) Why ?
9.) When, relative to the casting stroke to you STOP your line hand when making a haul while false casting ?
10.) When, in relation to your delivery casting stroke do you RELEASE your line from your line hand ?
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