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    Walter & Group....

    Jim Bass sends news about Al Crise:

    I have just been informed that on June 6th at 6:00PM Al will be inducted into the Texas Fresh Water fishing Hall of Fame.

     

    I thought you would like to know.

    Jim

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    Jim...   GREAT !   Thanks for sharing that information with us.     Gordy

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                                                Master exam - more

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    Description of the essence of the Master exam based upon personal experience from Jim Valle :

    Gordy and Group,

     

    Re: MCCI Tests

     

    Gordy and Ally?s emails got me thinking about my experiences? taking, passing and now examining?.

    I also include this to give perspective because I personally believe it is also our responsibility to train our Masters to be Examiners.

     

    To be honest I always felt my exams were conducted fairly. I thought I was prepared, and I was by my perception ?. I certainly worked hard enough and knew the facts? However from a candidates point of view I walked away saying to myself ?What the #$%@ do they want?  (When you work this hard at something, No One accepts a negative outcome with open arms.) I had my notes from the debrief which I understood ? I was focused on what I considered minor casting corrections, (I thought they were trivial, nit-picking etc.) but I never really understood the  ?You have some More Work to do.??. What Work? 

     

    When I finally passed I knew it was due to the ?Confidence and Understanding?  I had developed. My attitude was different. I enjoyed the game and welcomed more difficult questions and challenges. It was a great contest to win.

     

    However as an examiner now I can give a different perspective on the issue.

     

    Casting. There are good days and bad days, we all have them. I have seen better casters and worse casters. As an examiner you take all that into account.  The candidate can either make the casts or not, you can tell. (no different when each of you is giving a lesson you can tell if your student has the concept or not)  

     

    Knowledge. Again the core stuff, it?s either there or it?s not. It becomes very evident if it?s not there. I make it a point to ask enough questions to find the depth and give the candidate every opportunity to validate their hard work?. (an important part of the experience for the candidate, Failure to challenge a professional is an injustice, like a mountain climber getting a helicopter ride to the top of the Mt Everest? just not the same achievement)(could be a huge achievement for the pilot! J)

     

    Teaching and Communicating.  It is one thing to have a teaching presentation that adequately explains how to make the cast. That?s part of it, but here is the real bottom line which develops into a common thread throughout the exam ? How does the candidate use his knowledge and teaching skills to listen to a question and respond. Thinking on his or her feet. This is the demonstration of the candidates true ?Total Understanding? of fly casting, teaching and fishing. This is where the ?You have a little more work to do? resides. The only way to handle these situations is to have the teaching experience. The ability to Listen, Hear and Answer the (student?s) questions which can come from any direction. It is actually a simple thing,  but it takes confidence, understanding  and knowledge to get there.

    As an examiner I listen to the questions other examiners ask. Do you think they are made up? No, for the most part they are based on real questions and situations they have been in and had to answer themselves as instructors. And this is really important!...There is NO ONE CORRECT ANSWER. (It?s all up to the candidate at this point). There is an art to teaching. There are many approaches. The Master will, using his experience answer the question with his/her well considered conviction on the subject. (That means he thought about this before.)(EXPERIENCE) He has every part of the cast in his head, and made it his own. (You must truly own the information) Now we all may have different ways of saying something but the truth remains the same, the fundamental common threads will be in everyone?s answer.

     

    This is the ?More Work? or Experience that  can seem elusive until you view it from the other side.  A Master is just that a ?Master?.   In actuality those that pass the Masters are Masters before the exam ever starts and they remain Masters as long as they continue to pursue the ?Understanding?. The exam is nothing more than a progress check ride.

     

     

     Hope that adds some perspective,

    Jim V

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    Jim...   That wording, "progress check ride" I'm sure comes from your flight training back when you flew military jets during the Viet Nam war !                   Gordy

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                                                                                           LOOP SHAPES

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    From Bob Hansell :

    Gordy and all,
    I am working on better understanding  "reading the line" as part of my preparation for a masters certification and more importantly to be able to teach.  I will start out by saying I am in the learning process and do not profess to know yet.  So, I am going tell you what I think so you can tell me how much more I have to learn or if I am on the right track.


    The loop shape has many factors, so I will key off of Mac's comments on using a tension lens for the descriptions.  First I think the tension on the rod leg of the line creates the tension of the loop itself. Tension on the fly leg of the line maintains the loop shape.  So I would suggest the tension is pretty equal on the first shape Loop A,  The shape of loop B would be caused by the tension on the rod leg of the line being greater than the tension on the fly leg of the line therefore pulling the loop down into the rat face shape.  The opposite would be the case for Loop shape C where the tension of the fly leg of the line is greater than the rod leg of the line causing the point to be pulled up. Loop shape D is different and I suspect the tension on the Rod leg and Fly leg of the line is fairly similar but the forces that cause a line to fall are not as great as the forces that are lifting the line.


    I do not know if I am correct, but I throw it out for discussion.   Especially on Loop shape D where this is just a guess on my part.


    Not afraid of being wrong if I can learn.
    Thanks,

    Bob
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     From Jim Laing.  (I placed his drawing in an attachment).   G. :

    Hi Gordy,
    I'm attaching a drawing to clarify my last message and would also like some feedback from MAC - I can make the box shape with 30 to 40' of fly line.  The longer the line, the more difficult to maintain that shape for some reason - higher linespeed?
    My thought is that if you can make a box (see drawing - C), you should be able to make that snow plow shape (see drawing - A) - but I think its going to be much more difficult because the tip has to continue to travel forward on that sharp downward angular plane as MAC illustrates.  As I understanding this, the "rat snout" has a slightly curved more gentle downward slope as drawing B illustrates.  I don't see any references to these shapes in "Casting Angles" - can you clarify?
    Jim


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     Bob & Jim...  

     I'm not the expert on how to make these loop shapes or to discuss the concept of how tension is used to do this.  I will say, that the tension way of explaining them does make sense to me, though I'm new to it.

     

    So I'm here with you to learn.

    Many thanks to Mac Brown for helping to teach this to us all.

    Gordy

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