Correction / Spey question / Article / LOOP FACES

Walter & Group...

Correction from Bruce Richards in answer to Mark Milkovitch .  ( Note the new attachment reflecting the answer.)  G. :-

Bruce,

Would you mind double checking something for me.  I took another look at the ?Milkovich? chart which I believe you sent to Gordy in response to my chart.  I think we are saying the same thing ? I too am accelerating by 1⁰ per second ? beyond that I simply giving the cumulative degrees travelled from beginning of the cast through that second in order to get a visual of where the rod would be on a cast that lets say utilized 90⁰ or 120⁰ from start to finish rather than reporting how many degrees the rod travelled during that one second as you did.  Thanks Bruce I appreciate the help.

Mark

Hi Mark, good catch. I did graph the cumulative change, which will yield an exponential accel. increase. I've corrected that, it now shows the correct, constant accel. you intended to show.

 

My apologies, I was in a hurry and didn't spent the time I should have to get this right! Please let the others know....

Regards,

Bruce

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                                                                  SPEY QUESTION

 

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From Gary Davison in answer to Lou Bruno's question on Spey tackle :

 

"Gordy,

I have a 10?6? switch rod, I use shooting heads, of two different lengths
(longest is 28?) and weights. I limit my casts to the underhand cast, and
the forward spey. Is it possible to use a short belly spey line with this
rod length so I can use more casting options and not have to strip my line
as often on the retrieve? Plus I find using my longer spey rod with the
longer belly line to be more enjoyable to cast!

 

I thought about asking the rod manufacturer but thought it might be a good
question for the group.

Thanks,

Lou "

 

Gordy,

 

To answer  Lou Bruno's question on Spey Line with regards to CND Gravity Point Spey Lines.

 

As an estimate I would say for this size rod 10'6" in length you would probably require a gain weight line of 350 to 500 grains.  However this all depends on the rods rating. Usually a grain weight should be given on the rod.

This is just an estimate on my part. 

 

For a Spey line ranging with this grain weight you are looking at a 4/5/6/7 weight spey lines.

 

I would recommend the following options with regards to GPS (CND Gravity Point Spey Lines) Floating

GPS4/5F line which has a 50'belly total length of the line is 110' 20lb core.  (grain weight is 355)

GPS5/6F line which has a 55' belly, total length of the line is 115' 20lb core.  (grain weight is 432)

GPS6/7F line which has a 60' belly, total length of the line is 120' 20lb core.  (grain weight is 512)

 

Note: These lines come with 20 floating tip,  you can interchange the tips as needed for the strike zone needed.

Intermediate Tip's 18' length

Type 3 and Type 6 Tips 15' lengths

 

This is just one line example.  There are other to choose from but this will give you a general idea of what to expect out of a Spey line for these type switch rods.  Look at the lighter range lines.  Hopefully your rod will indicate what grain weight it is best suited.

 

I hope this helps

 

All the best    

Gary Davison

 

Gulf Coast Spey

Gulf Coast School of Fly Casting

 

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From Lou Bruno :

 

Gordy,

My thanks to Aaron Reimer and Dave Jacobson for sending me some very good information. I didn?t want to spend the cash on the longer belly line for a switch rod and not have it help. I will be trying the longer belly lines as suggested. Being able to use a longer belly line makes the switch rod more versatile. I do not have large rivers for the longer rod, I wanted to be able to incorporate the more traditional spey type cast.

Thanks

Lou

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COMMENT:   Lou raises a good point.  These lines are more expensive than ever.  For that reason, I consider it a luxury to be able to work with someone who has a whole wardrobe full of them to try.  I have such a range of fly lines for single hand casting, but only a few Spey lines.

Gordy

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                                                                  SOON LEE'S ARTICLE

 

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Request from Paul Rose :

 

Gordy I am really enjoying the quizzes and email's. I am new to the group and it is like having a new casting magazine subscription. I noted an article mentioned on "Teaching Flycasting" published in the Loop by Soon Lee but was unable to locate it Do you have a contact for Soon for me to request a copy? I am in need of some basic material such as this to help instruct my clients. Any other suggestions? PDF files or downloads out there you recommend?  

--
Capt. Paul Rose
www.carolinabonefishing.com

 

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Paul...

 

It is archived in the list of LOOP articles on the FFF Website.

 

Also:   Soon's email address:   soonleemd@xxxxxxx

 

Walter Simberski has archived most of the important Study Group messages from the past several years.  Others may be doing the same thing.

 

Eventually, we plan to have an official FFF Wiki set up ( Like Wikipedia but limited to FFF Instructors ) with all of this information and more .... an up to date, living thing by virtue of new contributions and editing, etc.

 

At this point in your Master preparations, I'd suggest that you go to the FFF Website and access all of the loop articles from past years and study them.  Gold to be mined there !!!  This in addition to your study of the Master Prep. Study Guide and selected books and reading material listed there.

 

Gordy

 

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                                                                LOOP FACES

 

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Here is a challenge from Mac Brown.  I like his term, "loop faces" !  :-

 

Hi Gordy,

        Thought the quick drawing above may be of interest for the group since you brought up loop faces the other day about Steve throwing hairpin shaped loops. You also had a great thread of tension at the rod tip with Soon Lee's thread. Lets see what the group has to offer on the 4 combos of loop faces of the sketch. What does it tell us about the cast? How do you make the four shapes during the cast? Thought it might be a good exercise the group.

Take care, Mac

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Mac ...  I placed your drawings in an attachment.     G.

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