Citing sources / Mia Culpae / Fish attractants

Walter & Group...

From Will Turek :

Gordy,

Interesting posts as always AND I've noticed in recent posts that you've taken the time to cite your sources (perhaps not perfect APA, but this isn't grad school! ; )

Not sure if you've ever mentioned to the group that this should be standard practice, but I for one greatly appreciate you leadership in this regard. Citing one's sources is another move in the right direction away from the psuedo-scholarly and unsubstantiated towards real meaningful discussion based on "research". Plus, it's a great way to share the resources.

Thank you!!

W

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Will..    Thanks.  I'm far from perfect about that .... but I do it when I can.     G.

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                                                                    MIA CULPA

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From Michael Ames ....

I forwarded an email to the group about some feed back on the FFF web site and the ideas that were shared asking our web master if we could do some of this. He misunderstood my questing from my short question and posted the email in our news letter. I have spoken with him and this will not happen. I hope none feel I have violated their trust.

  

            GOD Bless & Tight~Lines

    Michael Ames President  FFF SOC

            aflycaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Michael ...    A simple misunderstanding.  No problem at this end, I assure you.    Life goes on !    G.

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From Jim Valle :

Gordy, Ally and Group,  

 

Re: Greased Line

 

Sorry about the error, my apologies to all ?. Have no idea where that all came from? If you can believe it I checked on the internet, actually looked it up before I wrote it just to be sure.  How Skues got into my typing fingers we?ll never know.

Maybe I was just checking to see if Ally or anyone else was paying attention?. (I wish this was the caseJ!)

I guess if you want to fly with the eagles?.

 

That?s why I hang around you guys? I am always learning?.something?

Thanks for correcting my error.

I think I will go out and  ?swim my fly? ?

Best,

Jim

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Jim..    We're all still learning. Many times I've appreciated being corrected when I goof.

 Once in a while I get the wrong name in my brain.   Join the club !

G.

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                                                                                                    RODS

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Hello Gordy,

I've been enjoying the quiz on rods.  When the 'white' Wonderod subject came up, it sparked a thought of

some of the fly rods my Grandfather passed down to me and I went throught them, and there it was, a Howard Wonderod.

That got me doing some googling and reading on the history.  However I have yet to find the line designation.  I know the

system in 1947 was different and they used letters however the rod nor the googling defined the weight.

I'm going to try out 7-9wts based on the feel of the rod and the knowledge Pop Hesse was a bass fisherman.

 

My question is if there was a full line of rods or one weight?

 

 

Cheers,

Rene

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Rene....   I recall at least two models though far from a full line of weights.

 

Did you mean HOWARD or HOWALD ? (Rods designed for Shakespeare by Dr. Arthur M. Howald in 1947)     (See attachment)

 

The early Shakespeare fly rods I used in the 1950's were made of glass formed over a balsa wood core. I remember breaking one and being amazed by the balsa material about which the glass mat had been rolled.

 

 Later rods were made by Dr. Howald's process as the balsa core was replaced by a steel mandrel.  Some later models had a graphite core. *

 

That process was used for all sorts of rods including boat rods, trolling rods, and spinning rods, plug rods as well as fly rods.

 

Gordy

 

*  THE COMPLETE BOOK OF TACKLE MAKING by C. Boyd Pfeiffer, p. 311

 

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                                                                                       FISH ATTRACTANTS

 

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From Kirk Eberhard :

 

Hi Gordy,

    Chumming- Unlawful to put any substance not attached to a hook into the water for the purpose of attracting fish. (Idaho fishing rule)

 

Saltwater fly fishers often use live bait or chum to attract fish. Might be a topic for the group.

Kirk

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Kirk ....   This topic stirs much debate.  One day we'll air it.

Briefly:  I've just finished reading  Kingsmill Moore's book.  This wonderful book on Irish Lough fishing describes dapping while using a long "dapping rod" and a natural insect on the hook.  Nowhere did I see it described as "fly fishing" though I can see that some might consider it so.  The fly was called "the DAP". *

Most of our salt water fly fishing tournaments forbid the use of chum.  (Called "Berley" in Australia)

Many of our Keys guides do use it by having their clients make their casts to fish "chummed up" as they present with artificial flies.

I don't do it for game fish on the flats.  Once in a while I do use it when fly fishing for other species such as snappers and groupers in deeper water.  The chum is used to draw the fish up near the surface.

I've never used it in fresh water or anywhere when outlawed.

* A MAN MAY FISH by T.C. Kingsmill Moore, 1960 -Rprint, 1979. pp. 64-67.

Gordy

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