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    Walter & Group...

    Think carefully as you answer Dennis's questions.  This is a real World topic. 

        While awaiting more answers, let's do some vicarious fishing.    G.

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    From Don Pendleton :

    Gordy,
     
        In this tactic most of the responders mentioned using multiple flies.  I know two fly rigs are very common where legal, even for moving water.  I use two fly rigs for bluegill as well.  But I just can't forget something one of my earliest fly fishing mentors once grumbled.  "What are you guys, a bunch of commercial fishermen?"  When first getting real serious into fly fishing my buddy and I tried to adapt everything we read about to our pond fishing.  I can still hear old Sam bellow when he would catch us with two flies on a leader!
     
        One of the still water forums that you passed on to me was about using floating flies on full sinking lines for trout.  Two patterns that were mentioned were Jack Gartside's Gurglers and Crease flies.  This totally surprised me as these are two of my better producing top water patterns for bass.  The authors technique was letting the full sink line with 6' leader fall completely to the bottom then slow strip retrieve.  I can't see this method working very well with the fly suspending well above the line.
     
    Comments?
     
    Don Pendleton
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    Don..    As I'm sure you know, despite the fact that some folks think the use of two or more flies at a time is done to increase number of fish in the creel, this is a long way from the truth.  The use of two well chosen flies for stillwater or stream fishing can increase the number of strikes on either fly.  The idea of one fly atracting the fish to another.    
     
    I have no experience with the author's technique of using the full sink line with 6' leader on the bottom with the floating fly and slow strip retrieve for trout though, intuitively... I think it might work.   Works fine in the salt for striped bass and sea trout (weakfish).
     
    From a fly casting standpoint, one needs to know the techniques of rigging these multiple fly leaders so they neither "helicopter", twist or tangle when cast.  
     
    One method I have used, is a tandem rig with the short tippet for the second fly attached directly to the bight of the hook of the first at the center of the curve.  That worked well for me on Penn's Creek.     G.
     
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                                                    HIGH MOUNTAIN STREAMS
     
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    Messages from Misako Ishimura :

    Fishing in High Mountain Streams

    Hi Gordy,

           I am privileged to have fished in so many different high mountains streams. I have encountered some traditional fishing styles using flies in the Pyrenees in Spain, the Tatras in Slovakia and Poland and the Nippon-Alps in Japan. Learning the traditional fishing styles directly from the local fishers is very exciting. There are some similarities in these old styles of fly fishing, such as upstream and short distance fishing using long rods. 

         So why cast with long rod in small stream? They are heavier than shorter rods, except for Japanese Tenkara rods, which are usually telescopically extended to a length from 11 to 16 feet and do not have a reel seat and guides. It is best to use a longer rod because there are so many different currents in small, high mountains streams. To present your fly naturally to the fish, you should avoid laying your fly line on the water. Instead, use a minimal length of leader on the water as though you are dropping only the fly onto the water.   

         I would like to mention one casting technique, which I?ve encountered recently.  With this technique, I will be able to manage better presentations during the mountain stream fishing.

    Bob Clouse?s cast ?     When there are obstacles such as hanging tree branches, I sometime use his under-line tension cast.  You cast line, leader and fly under your rod tip with constant tension in both forward and backward. With this technique, you can propel your fly through a narrower path to avoid the obstacles.

          I recommend a couple of fishing tools for your safety. Use a wading staff with 0.75 inches (1.9 cm) wide tubing to check the river bottom for your next step and for climbing slippery slopes. You can prevent the clanging noise of your wading staff by wrapping the bottom with duct tape so as not to spook the fish.  If the rocks are slippery, it is better to add some metal studs to your wading shoes for extra safety. I wear special guards to protect my lower legs, especially my knees, and waders. I can walk more easily in the water with them, because they help to reduce the water pressure on my legs. Please see the picture showing how tightly you can wrap them around your legs. The other picture is of another type of guard that you will be able to find in a sporting goods store where softball and baseball equipment is sold.

            Safe fishing to all and tight lines,

                           Misako Ishimura

    Dear Gordy,

     

    I started to cast using Bob Clouser?s constant tensioned under line casting technique for avoiding the obstacle, fighting wind, and the accuracy cast.  It is like a regular OVAL back cast except the rod tip moves in the higher position.  So during these casts, the line-leader-fly are hanging from the rod tip downward.

    Back cast to a little lower and reposition the casting hand a little higher and stroke in the straight line to the front.  If you add the haul with the most speed by the line hand rotational movement along on the target line at the end of each stroke, also extend the strokes adding body rocking movement, you can cast full line with this technique.  

     

    Tight lines,

    Misako Ishimura

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    Misako....   Pleased to hear from you .  Some fine information in your messages.   This should be saved for future reference by members for when we visit  stream fishing as a whole new topic.  I placed your pictures in the attachments.   

    We have addressed Tenkara fishing in the recent past.  I have never tried it, though the concept of a drag free drift for a dry fly with no line and almost no leader on the water is an attractive one.

       Gordy

     

     

     

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