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    Walter...
     
    I'd be DELIGHTED to add him .  He'd be a real asset.
     
    Gordy
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Walter Simbirski [mailto:simbirsw@xxxxxxx]
    Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 12:30 AM
    To: Gordy Hill
    Subject: Re: Line "levitation"

    Gordy - off the record I've asked Grunde Lovoll if he would like to be included in this group. I know I don't have
    the right to invite him in to the group but I thought this would be a case where it would be better to beg for
    forgiveness than ask for permission and I felt sure that if he accepts then you would be happy to welcome
    him aboard.
     
    I shall now beg for your forgiveness.
     
    I shall also answer the question in another email.
     
    Walter
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Gordy Hill
    Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 6:51 PM
    Subject: Line "levitation"

    Walter & Group...

    From Tony Loader:


     

    Hi Gordy,
     
    Thanks to you and Walter for that prompt reply. I now have a better understanding but something still puzzles me.
     
    At the risk of beating a dead horse, may I refer Walter to this back cast
     
     
    and ask what it is that makes the (admittedly shorter than 10 ft of) line that we can see, appear to defy the laws of gravity by levitating as the loop is unrolling? 
     
    Regards,
     
    Tony.
     
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    To access this video, I went directly to DOWNLOAD.     Gordy
     
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    Tony....
     
    After studying Grunde's video of Mathias Lilleheim's "supersonic" backcast, my thoughts are these:
     
    # He's using a full flex rod.
     
    # Unloading occurs (apparently) just prior to RSP (rod straight position) as acceleration ceased. 
     
    # Following RSP and the start of loop formation, the rod tip goes into great counterflex so that the tip almost touches the floor ! 
     
    # Rebound is commensurate with the counterflex, so it is extreme.
     
    Without seeing a great deal more of the line, I can't be sure.  I think, however, that the trajectory of "up and back" was established prior to counterflex.  Counterflex temporarily pulled the rod leg of the loop down.  This began to rise a bit with rebound, but then continued to rise as the momentum of the traveling loop pulled the counterflexion deformity of the rod leg back up in the direction of the trajectory.  (What Paul Arden calls, "sucking it up".)
     
    This is in keeping with the dictum:  What happens prior to RSP affects the fly leg of the loop.  What happens after RSP affects the rod leg of the loop.
     
    NEAT STUFF !!!!!!
     
    Gordy
     
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    Let's see how some of you including Walter Simberski look at this apparent defiance of gravity.  Do you think that "lift" is responsible for this amount of levitation ?       G.
     
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