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    Yes....  Helps to keep this up beat !
     
    G.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Walter Simbirski [mailto:simbirsw@xxxxxxx]
    Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:10 AM
    To: Gordon Hill; 'Server Sadiki'
    Subject: Re: RE:

    The gentle humor is greatly appreciated. We may need it.
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:08 AM
    Subject: RE:

    Walter & Server....
     
    Well we can softly but firmly  beat them into submission with evidence based logic. ...... in a friendly way.
     
    Gordy
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Walter Simbirski [mailto:simbirsw@xxxxxxx]
    Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:45 AM
    To: Gordon Hill; Server Sadiki
    Subject: Re:

    Server, Gordy,
     
    I think the approach of a technical paper followed by a supplemental paper that has a target audience
    of fly casting instructors whose background in physics ranges from basic high school science to first
    year physics makes great sense.
     
    Server - you are probably in the best position to determine if this is a good approach and, if so, what the timing
    for the technical paper and the supplement should be. Gordy and I both agree you, along with the graduate student
    you've told me about, are the brains behind this and we want to make sure you get the credit you deserve.
     
    We could start thinking about where resistance is likely to come from and what sort of responses
    we should consider. Personally, I have two major worries at this time.
     
    The first is the paper by Kyte and Moran and Bruce's response to that paper. 
    The information is observational only but it clearly advocates a hard stop and Bruce's observations
    agree with it. "Conventional" wisdom is that the hard stop is required for efficient energy transfer. I understand
    now that the hard stop is one method of controlling the path of the rod tip and also to provide a firm base for
    the rod to unload against but I expect this will be an area of controversy. I know that the work by Jason
    Borger and Grunde Lovoll is good experimental evidence against a hard stop that we can work with.
     
    The second area of concern I have will be the Sexyloops folks. They have been right all along in stating that
    a hard stop isn't necessary but then they've come to some strange conclusions after that and have almost
    become an armed camp defending those conclusions. My experience with situations of that nature is that
    they will take any affirmation of any of their conclusions (in this case the hard stop issue) and see it as
    proof that they are right about everything. Going to be a tough nut to crack...
     
    Just my thoughts for now.
     
    Cheers!
     
    Walter
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:48 AM

    Hi, Server....
     
    I have been studying your former messages from "behind the scenes" and having messages of discussion with Walter Simberski.
     
    Walter has shared some of his thoughts regarding the physics behind what we have loosely been calling "the stop".  He has helped me understand these concepts.
     
    Although I'm not a physicist or engineer, I'm beginning to get a much clearer understanding of what you have proposed to the point that I cannot find fault with your reasoning.
     
    The concept of suspension of acceleration rather than a true "stop" ( which would be cessation of all motion ) has generated a spark in my brain.
     
    At the same time, I understand the acrimony produced by others venting their vehement disagreements. I came to the conclusion that this occurred largely because they couldn't understand what you were proposing.  I also understand that you "bristled" because you couldn't come to terms with their lack of comprehension.
     
    Walter and I feel that your paper on this subject is needed and timely.
     
    We must realize that even casting instructors who are educated may not even have had a basic high school course in physics.  In deference to them, I think it would be a good thing for you to try to distill the concepts down to try to fit it into plain and simple terms ..... NOT easy, I realize !!!!!!!
     
    Perhaps this could be done as a supplement to your paper ????????? .... Walter and I will help in any way we can.
     
    Best,
     
    Gordy
     
     
     
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