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    Walter & Group...

    Below is an announcement from Joe Libeu and Bob Middo :

    Continuing Education Clinic for  all CCI, MCI and BOGs

    Friends and colleagues, we invite you to join us on May 2, 2009 at 9:00am at
     the Long Beach Casting Club for a special clinic. This clinic will focus on
     the newly revised MCI test. With your  help , we will be examining each
     performance task to better clarify what is acceptable performance, and  what
    is not. We will also be covering  other general test procedures. Our goal is to improve the consistency of 
    testing within our program worldwide. Your attendance is strongly encouraged,  we
     need your input. If you plan on attending please email us at fishlgf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx or call
     310-749-677
     Joe Libeu
    Bob Middo
     CBOG

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                                                     Practice to increase distance

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     Drill from Craig Buckbee:

    gordy,

    drills for more distance:


     

    - clean line... often.
    - mark line. work with a controllable line length. build on that.
    - cast for distance using only the rod hand. no hauling. 
    - in a practice session, first cast with a much lighter line class, say a 3 wgt, and then switch up to the 5-7 wgt.
    - add body movement... positive movement, as in weight shift, to lengthen stroke. pantomiming in front of a mirror.
    - practice with a double taper line, and then cast with a WF line with a long head such as a rio steelhead or sci-ang expert distance.
    - work on hauls... lengthen and add wrist snap at end. 
    - practice casting as slowly as possible.

    craig
     
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    Craig...  All good advice.  I must admit, I don't clean my practice lines often enough !    Gordy
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    From Tom ScheerMy comments in his text in blue italics...   G. :
     
     I am making the cast longer by increasing the amount of line I can carry aloft just a foot or so at a time, trying to get to 60-65 feet.
     
    Good way to do it.  This method is taught by Bill Gammel. *   G.
     
     Sometimes I just false cast repeatedly until my back loop comes adrift,and just lay the line down to measure what length I was carrying when the trouble arrived.
     
    I assume you mean that you false cast repeatedly letting a bit more line out with each cast until your back cast loop can't be controlled well.  Good way to do it..... then drop back to casting with less line out of the rod tip all the while being satisfied only with a well controlled narrow loop.   G.
     
    I used a tape to position hoops at 50 and 60 feet. My problem is always an open or collapsing  back cast loop. 
     
    Yes.  That is the trouble most of us have as we keep adding line.  As you stated above, the idea is to improve the ability to carry more line without the back cast loop suffering.  We really can't achieve good distance and layout unless that back cast is pretty close to perfect.  Even Steve Rajeff has said that while tournament casting that he makes an extra false cast or two until he gets the perfect back cast for a winning forward presentation.
     
    When Bill Gammel teaches practice for distance casting, he not only has the caster add a foot of line at a time, but then has him cast with that amount of line slowly and then ever faster until the loop deteriorates.  If it remains a good loop, only then is another foot added, etc.      G.
     
     I also (still) have to resist using too much power throughout, and especially the final delivery.
     
    Agree that most of us tend to do that.  I like the advice Lefty gives:  Use no more power on your delivery cast than you did on the prior false cast...... but haul faster.  He says the haul hand is the accelerator.    G.
     
     
    I slip line both fore and aft in reaching my maximum carry, then slip more into the final back cast. I try to keep my hauls as long and smooth as my rod stroke, and change both proportionally as more line is out of the rod tip. I drift in both directions, and find I have to watch my back cast(in spite of some tracking issues from time to time from turning) to have any clue what is going on back there.
     
    Not all elite distance casters drift.  Some use the Layback technique popularized by Gary Borger.  Lefty and Ed Jaworowski bring the rod tip all the way back and stop there.
     
    Most shoot (or slip) some line as you do.  When Joan Wulff teaches distance casting, she teaches her own technique described as:  "Shoot a little line on the forward cast - shoot a LOT on the back cast."    G.
     
     
    I incorporate some "up" in my back cast and drift so I can start forward when the line is  nearly parallel to the lawn, and delay most of my  rotation until just before the stop. I'm pleased to say I'm getting there more of the time.
     
    I also tuck my rod into my casting side armpit and use both hands to retrieve line-a little quicker and easier than stripping in with one hand(thanks Bruce R for that tip and increasing carry one foot at a time) 
     
    For practice, this is something I do regularly.  Placing the rod under the arm and using a two handed strip rests the casting and rod holding muscles of the casting arm and hand.   This is important, because one of the reasons for those back cast loops getting out of control is FATIGUE.  Practicing when fatigued can yield poor results !!!     G.
     
     
     Equipment is a 6 wt. tcr with 6 wt. orange 120 ft xxd line, kept reasonably clean) When getting ready for the CCI I practiced with 75 feet of fly line, which gave 82 if the  line and leader straightened completely. I resist depending on my 90 foot line mark being at the reel as a 90 ft. cast, as minor slack in the line over 90 feet can leave me smiling, and short. I prefer to have a hoop at 90 ft..
     
    Yes.  Always judge your own distance with target at a measured distance.  The marked line will fool us every time !   G.
    regards,
     
    Tom
     
    *  TEACHING YOURSELF TO FLY CAST,  Video, by Bill Gammel,  Gammel Outdoor Services, (281) 734-6024 ,                 ISBN 0-9744235-0-X
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    From Al Crise:
     
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    Here is mine.
     
     As I study each caster to try to find what, I think, will help them the most. The one problem that comes up the most is Horizontal Trajectory. Often the caster will make the cast out or in; as acute or obtuse angle from the straight back cast. Using a rope, Fly line or in my case; I mow straight lines in the grass. Then practice making a Straight back cast or 180 degrees from the target.
     Now make it smoother. Start with 75 ft of line on the ground straight behind you make a forward cast. Repeat. YOU see you can make a long line cast. The same should happen when you get the back cast straight behind you.
       Now Start getting the Back cast straight behind you at the right angle of Vertical Trajectory. Most will find that they over rotate the arc between stops. Loading the rod and then for no reason open the arc more.
     I try to have my students point the tip of the rod at the loop(s) while false casting. That is stop the rod drift back with the loop. If the back cast is high, Wait or pause a little longer. With 60 -70 ft of line in the air you have time to watch the loop run to the end. If you let the tip drift back you have a nice long stroke long Total Tip Travel to launch the forward cast. Again wait until you have all the line going in the right direction. Drag it in to a Straight line THEN send it out. Rushing this is what kills most casts. I think.
    ol Al
     On the carpenters twine it make great flies but also for teaching Knots it is tops.Two colors. Cut into 18 inch pieces. Melt the ends. I use my hemostat handles for hook eyes. Coloring with Crayons. 
     
    Ol Al
     
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    Al ...  You mentioned DRAG.  This is translational movement of the rod on the forward cast prior to initiating the rod arc (rotation).  We have had some discussion as to whether this can load the rod significantly or not.  I think some who rapidly translate do so.  DRAG can also do two other things.   1.) Take up slack   2.) Delay rotation.  Bruce Richards has shown with the Casting Analyzer, that the delay of rotation can help yield tighter loops.
     
    Some super elite distance casters use a great deal of drag.  Rick Hartman is an example.  Some do just fine without much of it,  Steve and Tim Rajeff are examples.
     
    Gordy
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    From Capt. Joel Dicky:
     
    Gordy - One way distance casters practice is by dropping down line size from say a 5 wt to a 4wt so that they can practice carrying more line in the air. Your thoughts?
     
     To better explain I should say in the case of one taking the test with a 7 wt rod, they should practice with the same rod but with a 6 wt line. This will help them with carrying greater amounts of line in the air and loop formation at those distances.


    Capt. Joel Dickey
     
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    Joel...   Not a bad idea to get lots of practice first with lighter equipment (to reduce fatigue) ....  Then go the the 7 wt. with the 6 wt. line.
     
    For the exam, however, the distance cast is only one task.  Roll casting and some of the other tasks are better done with line matched to the rod for most casters.
     
    Another reason to consider using the 7 wt. is that the line is thicker and easier for both you and an examiner as well as students to see.
     
    Gordy
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                                                                  History / "inventions" / Documentation
     
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    From Bob Rumpf:
     
    Hi Gordy,
     
    As I catch up on reading group messages, I see several mentions of methods being invented by one individual or another. Being a long-time student of fly fishing history, and for the sake of accuracy, I can tell you with no reservation that using the term invented is, in reality, a misnomer. No one knows who actually first does these type things, so what historian are careful to do, is to include in their explanation about these firsts, that an individual was the first "documented" person to perform this particular feat. As I have frequently brought to fact, if you are willing to go back far enough, most things are not actually new. A very good example of what I am alluding to, is how frequently the argument arises about who first fished a dry fly in America. Some give Thaddeus Norris credit, while others insist it was Theodore Gordon. I am absolutely certain, that some native American or early settler, long before either of these luminaries were born, after seeing fish taking only dry flies, certainly would have tried floating some kind of fur fraud on the surface just to feed his family. For this reason, when I am explaining these type situations, I always use the phrase: The first documented use of this method is.....
     
    Incidentally for your information: As per documentation: Thaddeus fished a fly dry before Gordon, but Gordon was the first to fish an actual dry fly.
     
     
     I have multiple copies of Netherton's "History of Sport Casting" both "Early Years" and "Golden Years" at $25.00 each.
     
    Regards,
     
     
    Bob Rumpf
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