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    Walter & Group...

    From Jim Valle:

    Gordy,

     

    As a Surgeon would you define the 4 wrist rotations Mac noted for the Group, In casting instructor language…please! I think I understand the last 2 and I remember adduction as “adding” the thumb forward  abduction is the opposite ( I hope) … maybe you have a layman’s way of remembering….

     

    From Mac Brown, (Hi Mac)

    “These casts still use lots of wrist rotations (torque twist) such as supination, pronation, abduction, and adduction. Some really neat things can occur mixing them up a bit for varying layouts….”

     

    Thanks,

    Jim

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    Gordy,

     

    As a Surgeon would you define the 4 wrist rotations Mac noted for the Group, In casting instructor language…please! I think I understand the last 2 and I remember adduction as “adding” the thumb forward  abduction is the opposite ( I hope) … maybe you have a layman’s way of remembering….

     

    From Mac Brown, (Hi Mac)

    “These casts still use lots of wrist rotations (torque twist) such as supination, pronation, abduction, and adduction. Some really neat things can occur mixing them up a bit for varying layouts….”

     

    Thanks,

    Jim

     

    Gordy,

     

    As a Surgeon would you define the 4 wrist rotations Mac noted for the Group, In casting instructor language…please! I think I understand the last 2 and I remember adduction as “adding” the thumb forward  abduction is the opposite ( I hope) … maybe you have a layman’s way of remembering….

     

    From Mac Brown, (Hi Mac)

    “These casts still use lots of wrist rotations (torque twist) such as supination, pronation, abduction, and adduction. Some really neat things can occur mixing them up a bit for varying layouts….”

     

    Thanks,

    Jim

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    Jim....
     
    Here is my interpretation in simple anatomical terms :
     
    I. Wrist bends :
     
        a. Adduction is deviating the wrist in the direction of the thumb.. (Orthopaedists call this "radial deviation")  With most other joints, adduction, in general, means bringing the limb toward the center of the body.)
     
        b. Abduction is the opposite. (Deviating the wrist in the direction opposite that of the thumb.("Ulnar deviation")  With most other joints, abduction means bring the limb away from the center of the body.)
     
        c. Flexion is bending the wrist forward (Toward the inner side of the elbow.)
     
        d. Extension is bending the wrist backward (Toward the outer side of the elbow.)
     
    II. "Wrist" twists :
     
        I placed the word "wrist" in quotations, since twisting the wrist about an imaginary axis is really mostly rotation of the forearm.
     
        Wrist "twists" and "torques" can be seen as the same thing, though I believe engineers may look at torque as a description of a force applied in rotation.
     
        a. Pronation is turning the hand inward and down. (As if you were grasping a floor shift knob in a car.)
     
        b. Supination is turning the hand outward and up. (As if you were reaching to grab a light bulb from a ceiling fixture.)
     
     
    Casting example:  One way to make a curve cast with the fly going to your left when you are right handed is to rapidly twist your wrist inwardly at the stop.  This is pronation.  To accentuate the curve, you can then exaggerate the belly of the layout by immediately afterward, twisting the wrist to the opposite direction ... outwardly.  This is supination.
     
    If you are right handed and wish to make a curve with layout so that the fly goes to the right, then you would rapidly twist the wrist in an outward direction. This is supination.  (Not nearly as easy to do, because we do so few things that way in life.)
     
    Things get seemingly complicated when we use compound wrist and forearm movements.  These can be analyzed by noting the various combinations of wrist and forearm movements .... such as a mixture of wrist adduction and forearm pronation used by many casters as they make a powered curve cast with a horizontal rod plane such that the fly goes in the direction opposite that of the casting arm.
     
    Another example:
     
    As you know, Joan Wulff teaches casters to finish the forward stroke with the wrist bent in the direction opposite that of the thumb (ulnar deviation with no flexion or extension or rotation.)  The wrist ends up in adduction.
     
    At the conclusion of the back cast, she teaches that the wrist should be straight, with 45 degrees between the rod butt and the forearm.  To do that, on the back cast the caster must bring the wrist out of ulnar deviation to neutral position.  If the student brought the wrist too far in that direction, he' be abducting it (radial deviation).  The angle between the rod butt and the forearm would increase.  This would be a form of "wristing" if it is accomplished before the stop.  (OK and sometimes desirable to do it after the stop at which point we'd call it "Layback".  Along with back drift, this can accomplish many things including repositioning for the next cast and increasing available rod arc for that.) *
     
    In the fly casting literature, the term "wrist flips" can mean many things ... usually combinations of wrist and forearm movements including flexion, adduction, and either pronation or supination done rapidly.
     
    Joan Wulff's FLY CASTING TECHNIQUES, pp. 26-27.
     
    Gordy