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I WILL BE AWAY FROM MY MAILLIST CONTROLLER FOR A FEW DAYS.  (MY COMPUTER NEEDS REPAIR DURING THAT TIME ANYWAY)     When I return, I'll have tabulated the results from our slide loading quiz.

Gordy

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In my advice to CCI candidates, I had pointed out 4 different methods by which casting students (and we) learn:

1.) Seeing (Visual)

2.)  Hearing (Autitory)

3.)  Feeling  (Kinaesthetic)

4.)  Understanding (Cognative)

Guy is absolutely correct when he advises us to add yet another:

5.)  TEACHING

 

Guy's message:-

 

I agree with pretty much everything you wrote but there is one glaring omission. The best thing a prospective CI can do is TEACH.

There is a misconception that you need a Certificate to teach, you don’t. If someone comes to me wanting to become a CI I insist that they show up for our 5 session group lessons. Their job is to shadow me and the other MCI involved and LISTEN to the words and techniques we use as we teach. Once our group lessons are over we have open casting every week where we always end up with newcomers. It is here that we send the newcomers to the prospective CI for the lessons. At that point either I or Woody (MCI) will monitor the CI candidates instruction and make suggestions during a critique afterwards.

We make sure they keep coming back in an effort to give them as much hands on teaching experience as they can get during the summer. By the end of the season the candidates are much better prepared for the instructional part of the test than they would have been otherwise. This has proven to be the best preparation I have found for those who had performance skills but no experience teaching.

Guy Manning

FFF Master Certified Casting Instructor

Moderator FFFCCI Yahoo Group

www.castflys.net

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Comment:  Over the years I've learned a great deal as I teach.   I'm sure we all do.     Gordy

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From Rick Whorwood on Centerpinning:

Hi Gordy

Ally was bang on with his information on the reels, I owned a Allcock, it was very popular here in the beginning as was the J.W.Young Reels, before the local machine shops started making center pins. The Hardy Super Silex was not that popular here in Ontario. They were however popular in B.C. the water there is much faster, needing more weight to get down, they suited the conditions better.

Ally: were the Allcocks made in Christchurch, I seem to remember it had a label with that on it ?

 

Rick

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I chose Gary Davison's answer to our Slide Loading quiz .  Note his answers and my brief comments in red italics.  G.

 

Gordy,

 

My answers below. 

 

Gordy I wanted to inject that I found common ground with the feed back of Mac Brown on this subject. (Shown Below). 

 

Thanks again for bring this subject to light for me!  I really appreciate the in depth review of this subject by the group. 

 

 My own opinion is that it is best to not teach the SLIDE to students.  I think you will only confuse folks at a pre-CCI level, too.

Some may drift into using in on their own.  (No pun intended.)

After going over all the comments, I've come to the conclusion that Bruce Richards and others are correct when they say that slide "loading" is slight addition to casting style that some add as their own way of altering the cast.  Many may well add it without even knowing it.  Here are some questions I asked myself about slide loading followed by my "SHORT ANSWERS":-

NOW :

Let's have some of you take this little quiz so we can see if we have consensus on any of the answers.  Please make your answers as short and to the point as you can .

Gordy

1.) Can SL result in increased distance ?    I do not know. ( Bruce noted that he didn't see hard evidence that it really did. )

Agree

2.) Is SL a fault ?    When it doesn't result in deterioration of the cast, I don't think so. 

No. If timed correctly (Correct Power at the Correct time in the cast.) Yes if not!

3.) Can SL become a fault ?     Yes, in the event that it degenerates into creep or is timed poorly.  If line is fed back in excess, this can introduce slack into the system (a violation of one of the essentials.)

Agree

3.) Can SL make casting easier for some ?    Perhaps. 

Yes, but Style comes into play here.  I agree with Al Crise response.  (Shown below)

4.) Can SL be used to smooth out a cast ?    I think it can. 

Yes I Agree

5.) Can SL shorten stroke length and rod arc for the next cast ?    Probably just a bit, though that may not be important if the caster has brought the rod back far enough on the back cast to allow for more stroke length and greater rod arc than needed for the amount of line carried.

Bruce seems to think so?  No if correct timing and power has been applied.  Yes if the opposite.  I think we can all agree this is a high risk movement if you do not have good timing and power application.   I agree   G.

6.) Can SL result in increase of total rod load ?    I don't think so.

Agree

7)  Can SL distribute rod loading slightly over a specified time interval ?    I think it can.

Gordy I would like to know your logic on this one.  Your rod hand is in control to administer the correct application of power and load to the rod.     Your line hand can also help control the amount of rod load as it accomplishes a haul.  Remember that the haul can do many things chief among which are 1. increase line speed   &  2. increase rod load. By slide loading, you modify the haul (in the event one is used) and therefore the load.    G.

8.)  Is that helpful in any way ?    I think so, for some casters in some situations.

Correct application of Power.  The answer is yes

9.) Should a well informed Master know about slide loading and be able to discuss it and answer his students' questions if the topic comes up ?      Yes.

Agree!

10.) Should we be teaching SL to our advanced casting students ?     NO.

Usually self infliction is the best way for Style movements.

11. If one of our advanced students is found to be using it, should we criticize and eliminate it ?    NO.

Agree

12.) Is the term, "SLIDE LOADING" a misnomer ?    Maybe not, since it modifies loading.

Being as there is no real means of measuring the load value from one caster to another, I prefer "Sliding".   

Reason: My only concern is if we use loading in the term, the students will want the instructor to quantify this load.  As Bruce stated the load may be negligible, but the movement is not insignificant in that many of us use this set up movement in our distance casting to promote good timing and power in our casts.  

I, also, prefer the term "sliding"   G.

13.)  Will it remain a controversial subject in perpetuity ?   I think so.

Time will tell Gordy ;o). 

Is that a bad thing?  Those subjects that you can not put your finger on are the things that keep us all digging and searching for answers..    Gordy your comments below hit home for me.

"Each of us may take something different away with us.  Whatever that may be, we have increased our in-depth understanding of fly casting and an appreciation for different ways of teaching fly casting theory as we all learn from one another."

Keep it coming!

All the best Gordy 

Gary