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- Subject: Teaching kids / Wrist-arm exercises
- Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:00:25 -0500
Walter & Group...
From Phil Gay:-
Gordy,
Troy's points are right on. I also have the
younger ones use two hands on the rod. One on the grip and the other on
the butt. Works very well.
Phil
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Message on SHOTGUN teaching by Troy
Miller:-
Regarding the shotgun
teaching, I would simply not participate. If the Parks Department thinks
they know more about setting up effective learning opportunities for flycasting
than I do, then they can have it. But before it came to that, I’d try to
plead a case for altering their approach. I’d explain EXACTLY what my
concerns are (which you and Gordy already stated, plus a couple more), and hope
they’d listen to reason. A few people enjoy whirlwind chaos, but I don’t
see a place for it in a learning environment…
I don’t blame that
student one bit about asking to be left alone. I could see doing that
myself! I’ve rarely seen two instructors that teach things consistently
enough to be BETTER than if the student was learning from only one of
them. 6 or 10?? No way!
Regards,
Troy
Miller
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From Pat Damico:-
TEACHING CHILDREN:
Joe Humphreys sits on the ground when casting, or lays
on his belly. This is good for other teaching too. When asked at our Tampa fly
casting clinic, Mel Kreiger said I tell them to remember two things, "Stop and
Stop!"
Pat
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Followup note from Al Crise on
teaching:-
Howdy Gordy
As I read last weeks posts
a couple of things came to mind.
Teaching
tips.
When they bring a outfit and are
having trouble I do make a cast to about 50 ft just to check it
out.
I have found the wrong
line and dirty line I have even found the line on back ward so the 7 wt
line head was wound on first all they were casting was the running line. Look
for the taper to the head. in the first 8 ft of line.
Every time I see a rod tip
up to start I too lay my hand on the rod and say "START" or "Start a fly
cast."
I often will start a class
saying: "There are two thing you have to learn to make a fly cast. Both are
STOP. By the time you leave here every time you see a STOP sign you will think
of me."
I get the Stops named Stop
ONE and Stop TWO That way I can say you missed stop 2 they know what I mean.
Across the venue I can look at a person and hold up one or two fingers. They get
the messages.
Some love to aim the yarn
at me. I do were a big hat stops the leader knot from rippin' over my ears. I
smile but give them a 'look' that stops that right a way.
Small kids can make a two
hand cast by using the off hand on the butt of the rod. with a rod hand finger
controlling the line.
On of my pet peeves is to
see an instructor take the rod from the student and start
casting. This is the only or maybe the few time they get to hold the
rod. I keep the rod in their hand as much as can. I will place my hand over
theirs and guide the elbow up, but they are doing the casting I am just GUIDING
the motions. IF I have to make a cast to demo something I will use my rod or
once in a while ask first to show it is not the rod.
Best tip I can give I heard
at conclave. "Never show your best cast unless there is a Bet on
it".
We can cast slowly and show
control that will be doing more that one that tails at 110
ft.
ol Al
More on teaching
from Al:-
Howdy Group
From Rhea Topping "To
over analyze is to paralyze" This was for the student that studies way too
hard before moving the rod. Often happens with women. I would use this same
phrase for the instructor. Too much Information (TMI) is one killer of an
otherwise Good instructor. Information given in small amounts is better
that a Blast. Tip. They hear and remember the first and the last thing you
say. STUFF in the middle is lost. Teaching in "Threes" Introduce,
Expand, Recap.
AS for the Shotgun Class
AS I see it that was just TMI from to many instructors. Giving Teams of two
instructors to 3 or 4 student is a better use of time and talent.
Break for head to process and the
body to learn is needed. Muscles so not learn if they are just worked Resting is
when they learn
For kids that you have time
to work with a water bottle, or Coke can, can be use as a weight for Wrist
Exercise. They do not feel as self-conscious of moving the can/ bottle.
Remind them to NOT open. and when doing simple "Wrist Open-Wrist Closed". (They
better do it slowly so as not to shake the soda up). Water bottles you can
change the weight. This movement will build control in the wrist. Not a lot
at a one time just 10 or 15 repeats in a set.
I have enjoyed this thread Gordy
Thanks
ol Al
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On excercising the wrist/casting arm with
comment on casting with the "opposite" hand from David
Leger:-
Gordy,
On
the wrist exercise topic. Most sports/activities train the arm, forearm
and wrist muscles to accelerate: throwing a ball, casting a spinning rod,
hitting a golf ball etc.
What’s
missing for most people and what is so vital for fly casting is the ability to
stop the rod or rapidly decelerate and stop the arm and wrist once it has been
accelerated.
That
is why it just takes time even for an advanced caster to switch to the
non-dominate hand and have the cast look decent, even though being well versed
in “the mechanics” (new MCI task). The stop strength has to be
developed!
I
got this form John Breslin and I think it is one of the best ways to indoor
strengthen the deceleration/stop strength of the arm and
wrist.
Get
a 24 inch piece of steel re-bar put some grip tape on one end and while watching
TV swing the thing forward and backward concentrating on the stop, until the
wrist and forearm gets fatigued.
Repeat
until you feel like Pop-Eye the sailor man, remember to clear the back cast area
to prevent broken windows and agitating Olive Oil.
D.
Leger
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From
Scott Swartz :-
Gordy,
Here is a
strengthening exercise you can share if you choose.
SHORT
SUGGESTION: Try rehabilitation tubing and bands to offer resistance and
strength training.
LONGER
RATIONAL: Try surgical bands and tubing used in rehabilitation
exercises. These are available in all shapes, sizes and strengths. We
recommend these to students for off-season strengthening, preparation for long
angling trips, preparation for trips with rods larger than accustom and
especially to students to build muscle memory when "practicing" casting indoors.
The benefit they offer over weight is they can be used for resistance in the
horizontal plane as if casting a rod whereas weights are resistance against
vertical gravity. With these you can strength train and practice at
the same time. They are wonderful to offer resistance while used in SLOW
MOTION pantomime casting. The development of a new motor skill or what is
known as "facilitation" is actually the development of new nerve pathways. The
more often a certain group of muscles and nerves are use to the exclusion of
others the more likely and easier to use the same path in the future...thus slow
motion casting with resistance bands done with perfection will help groove in a
casting stroke. The only drawback is practicing just the forward or just the
backward stroke as the bands or tubing need to be affixed at should height to a
stationary object. While it is easy enough to turn around to change the
resistance it is more practical to practice a set of forward strokes followed by
a set of back casts. Our snowbird students who are trapped indoors during
winters and our students who travel for work and live out of hotels are
especially keen on using these. They are light, small, inexpensive and truly
simulate casting resistance except for the stop.
Capt. Scott
Swartz
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